How to Store a Car

Announcer: Go behind the wheel, under the hood, and beyond with Car Stuff from Scott: Hi everybody this is Scott Benjamin, and I am the Auto Editor here at I am joined by Ben just back from vacation Bowlin. How are ya doing, Ben?

Ben: I am doing well. You know what, I think a lot of people disagree with me, but I kind of - I don't know if I am suited for vacation, Mr. B.

Scott: Really? The relaxing life is not for you?

Ben: I'm not a relaxed person, you know the copious amounts of coffee that I drink.

Scott: I also know that your vacation wasn't terribly relaxing as far as you were pretty active. You weren't just laying on a beach somewhere.

Ben: Oh yeah, yes sir. We were going places, doing things, taking names. We were in New York City, my girlfriend and I. We met a lot of lovely people, and I spent the week without a car, which was kind of weird.

Scott: I don't know if I could do it.

Ben: You can do it more easily than you could spend a week with a car in Manhattan.

Scott: Yeah, I think you're right.

Ben: In Manhattan, Brooklyn, and stuff.

Scott: The crowded aspect of the city?

Ben: Sure, yeah, yeah, and there are just more and more buildings, more and more cars, and it's a - you know what occurred to me - I wanted to send some pictures out - This city has got to be one of the toughest places to own a vehicle in the States. I am sure Boston is really bad too because they have these older, narrow streets, but in New York as well as Boston, consider the weather, man. It's got to be nuts.

Scott: True, yeah, I imagine, I guess the city streets when they get piled up with 3 feet of snow, as they sometimes do, not very often, but it happens. Like you said, Boston is pretty difficult to drive in, and you know Chicago is a little confusing to outsiders. There's a lot of traffic here in Atlanta. Cities have a multitude of problems. There are also a lot of good points about it though. You said that the public transportation was excellent there.

Ben: Oh yeah, spot on. No complaints. Scott, you know how you'll sometimes see in Atlanta or in another city someone playing an instrument, buskin on the street corner?

Scott: Sure.

Ben: I saw part of a marching band just wailing on the subway, so I had to give those guys a dollar.

Scott: That's unusual.

Ben: Yeah, it wasn't the whole band, but like I was telling you before we started recording, it was maybe more than 10 people, and I saw somebody playing a saw.

Scott: Playing a saw?

Ben: A saw, bro -

Scott: Oh like with a -

Ben: With a bow.

Scott: Oh with a bow. Oh you know what, that's an interesting sound, isn't it?

Ben: It's a weird sound. I checked their hat just to see if someone was actually giving them money. I am not gonna lie to you, I mean, I consider myself relatively open-minded, but that got me. I knew it happened. I didn't know it happened on the subway. But yeah, a beautiful place. Let me see if I can pull this Segway off. Are you ready Scott?

Scott: Okay.

Ben: All right. Let's see. Let's say we're people who live in New York, we're New Yorkers, New Yorker rights, you know, and we are one of the privileged burdened few that is a car owner, like you own a car, and I own a car. We have two cars between us. We are already paying can I say, out the wazoo, we're paying quite a bit for our parking spaces, fees, gas, and then along comes winter, and you and I in this situation, we are of the mind that we're snowbirds, right? We migrate, so we're gonna leave our cars. Is that a bad idea?

Scott: I would probably drive in the winter. I was with you up until this point.

Ben: Okay.

Scott: I like to drive in the wintertime, but up to that point, you got me, you're good. So you would do what with your vehicle?

Ben: Right okay, let's say - that's even better. Let's say I'm just asking you for help with my hypothetical vehicle, or even better Scott, you catch me walking away, and I've just left my vehicle on the street.

Scott: Just turned off the key, and then -

Ben: Turned off the key, walked away. I put a little Post It on it that says 'back soon, don't break in'.

Scott: Be back in March. Okay, all right, I understand. So you want tips on how to store your car then?

Ben: Yeah, how do we get this process started?

Scott: Well, the idea is that if you have a car that is something you want to put away or a while, you want to put it away for wintertime, or maybe even for summertime, if it's the other side of the equation. You have a car that you drive strictly in the winter, and you have a car that you drive strictly in the summertime, and you want to switch these vehicles.

Ben: Oh, that's the life, huh?

Scott: Well I guess it would be, or if you have a second home, you know, and you've traveled to the second home that's in Florida, from Michigan, and you want to store a vehicle in one of the two places, you have to do that. There's just a lot of different reasons why you would want to store your car, but basically what it's all about is just taking precautions so that when you go back to that vehicle, and turn the key, eventually - and we'll talk about all the steps getting to that point, that it will start up again because there is a real risk that once you park it, and leave it for a long period of time, you know, like over the wintertime, there is a good chance that it won't start again when you go to start it up again if you don't do certain things.

Ben: Right yeah, you can't just leave it on the corner, or like, all those Mustangs, you can't just park it.

Scott: And you got first hand experience with probably one of the biggest problems with winter storage, right?

Ben: Oh you know, exactly.

Scott: This is kind of what led us to this, remember?

Ben: Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Scott: Well go ahead and hit us with what happened because it's a smaller version of what could happen in a car, and so you can imagine the frustration that would happen.

Ben: Oh you should have seen me, man. I was livid.

Scott: Well, what happened?

Ben: All right, so just briefly, yes, we have had this experience of this happening before, which did lead us to this. I had a lawnmower, I rent, but you know, I'm respectable. I mow the lawn, and stuff. I don't want to look like the bad people in the neighborhood, but I don't mow it in the winter because it's just not growing down here, and so I leave the lawnmower - you know, I covered it. I wasn't completely uninformed, but then lo and behold when I brought it out - because over here, the grass, you can watch it grow in the spring, and it was just time. I couldn't put it off anymore. My landlord was asking me questions too. So I tried to start it, and it just wouldn't go. It would start for a little while, then would stop, and would start, and what had happened was I left fuel in there over the winter, and I hadn't even put any stabilizer in there or anything. I didn't even fill it up all the way. It was just literally what was done the last time I mowed. For a second man, I thought I was gonna lose it. I thought I would have to get a professional, or take it into - you know, maybe give up the ghost, and trade in on a different lawnmower.

Scott: Sure, but you cleaned it up, and it worked just fine, right?

Ben: Yes, with your sage advise, and the help of the internet, and actually a little help from our website to figure it out.

Scott: Oh, very good, very good. You know, honestly, that's a small version of what could happen in a stored vehicle, and that's a real common problem, so don't feel too bad about leaving the gas in there over the winter because a lot of people do that. They leave just a, you know, maybe a quarter tank of fuel in there with no stabilizer, dry gas, is what it's called sometimes. That's probably one of the worst things you can do, is leave your fuel tank either empty or forget that stabilizer, and in the best case, you would do both, you would add a stabilizer of some kind. You can get these at hardware stores even, or gas stations, or of course auto parts stores. The idea is that you should leave it with a full tank of gas if you can. One better than that is, like I said, to add the stabilizer, and one important thing that a lot of people forget about the stabilizer is that once you add the stabilizer, you need to drive the vehicle around a little bit in order to get -

Ben: Like 20 minutes or so?

Scott: Yeah, in order to get it not only mixed in the tank with the gas that's in there, but you also want to get it through the lines that lead up to the engine, so you want to make sure it circulates through the system, so just drive it a little bit, and then work this stuff in, and that will go a long way in getting your car started again once you pull it out of storage. Man, I've got a whole bunch of things here that are just a big compilation of a bunch of lists that I found, and just kind of common knowledge things that I've known, you know, picked up along the way. So I guess I'll just read through them, and if you have anything to say, go ahead, if not, that's okay, too.

Ben: Yeah, this might be a little bit of a list my friend. I'm curious to see what we have going on here because you know there is some conflict. There are some differing opinions.

Scott: There is on a few things, like the fuel system. That's one thing. A lot of people say drain the fuel, completely drain it, and run the car completely dry. Others say that's not a good idea, leave some of the fuel -

Ben: Somewhat of an oxidizer.

Scott: Yeah, exactly, so there's all kinds of different perspectives on this, you know, whether you're talking about the tires, the engine. You know what, we'll just go through the list, and you can point out where my flaws are here.

Ben: I bet - you know what, no, I'm just gonna cheer you on, man. We know that you're right. I know that everybody agrees, at least on this one thing, and correct me if I'm wrong - You have got to find a storage facility. That's the first step, right?

Scott: Well that's if you don't have room for it in your own house, of course because that's a -

Ben: Well, also your garage -

Scott: You really should keep it covered, if you can, if you're talking about a winter clima te. Now here in Atlanta, you may be okay because we only have - We do have condensation, we get a lot of humidity, but in the wintertime, in the winter months, the humidity goes way down, so that's good for storage, but just to keep it out of the elements is much, much better. So if you're able to find a covered parking area of some kind, whether that's renting a storage facility or is your own garage.

Ben: A great excuse to finally clean out your garage, am I right?

Scott: Yeah, exactly. Time to find some room to shove that classic car in there. There are a few different precautions here we can talk about, but again, if you can, start with an interior space, that's the best way to go. If I read a couple of these out of order, forgive me, I've got several lists that I'm pulling from here, and like I said, just some of my own stuff along the way.

Ben: Let's see if our producers here can put in a little bit of get ready to go music.

Scott: All right, so here we go. After we do the gas that we've already talked about, right, it's a good idea to change the oil and filter at this point. This is again, just another preventative because you know, no matter what level you're at, if you put 100 miles on the car, just go ahead and do it again because this is just something that's gonna stay in there all winter long, and you want to get it worked into the system, so a nice, clean oil change, and filter of course, you know to make sure the filter is working, and operationally you want to filter it through at least once. So again, once you get the oil and filter changed, drive it around the block a couple of times. Just stay near your house, just work it all in, make sure that all of the fresh new oil gets into every passage of the engine, and gets everything kind of lubricated up, and ready to sit for a long time because that's really important. It prevents any kind of corrosion from happening inside your engine. You want to have it as well lubricated as possible. So change the oil and filter, that's the first one. You're also gonna want to - you know what, again this is not in any particular order because we're gonna go back to fluids in a minute here, but you also want to take out the spark plugs, and this goes along with the lubrication. That's why I am mentioning it now. You want to take out the spark plugs, you want to squirt some oil on the top of each cylinder in the combustion chamber.

Ben: Not very much though?

Scott: No, not very much, just a little squirt on the top of each one is enough, WD-40, whatever that is - Not WD-40, but probably go with like an engine oil, or there is specific oil for top in lubrication like this. I think it is called - ah, shoot, I'll come up with it in a minute. It's like Marvin's Marvelous oil or something like that.

Ben: Stop thinking about it, and then it will just come to you.

Scott: Yeah, I know, it'll come to me later, but the idea is that this coats the top of the cylinders, and it works its way around the pistons, and keeps the rings from seizing up along the cylinder walls. Even if they adhere just a little bit, when it comes to start up time again, whenever that is, hopefully they'll be free still, and they won't scratch the cylinder walls because the engine force will just rip them apart, so much better to have everything lubricated like that. Don't forget to put the plugs back in because you want to cover up those holes, too.

Ben: Oh, I should write that part down.

Scott: You want to plug up those holes for winter because you'll have mice tucking stuff in there, or birds trying to make a nest in there, and that's bad news.

Ben: And we're gonna get to that, too.

Scott: Yeah, we will, yeah. So the next thing I would say is seal off the intake and exhaust openings. The reason for that is obvious because you don't want condensation to get in either one, but you also - this is one of those things that you want to keep the mice and squirrels, and other rodents out of there, and you know, birds from making a nest under your hood because they do that, and if you get them tucking and nesting material in your exhaust pipe, that's bad news as well when you go to start it up, and you know, the intake of course because it'll pull everything right back into the engine, so just preventative on that. You want to either wrap it with a towel or a plastic bag, put a rubber band around it, so that it seals off nice and tight. You don't want to just cover it loosely with a rag because that's just more nesting material.

Ben: Right, if you stuff a rag in there - That's personal experience, too man. If you just stuff a rag in the exhaust, all you're doing is providing free construction material for the vermin condo, right?

Scott: That's right, the squirrels will hide that right along with their nuts.

Ben: Yeah, exactly.

Scott: So anyway - The next thing is to remove the battery, or at least the connections, make sure you clean them at the time, and that's just preventative maintenance also. Clean the terminals on the battery. Either leave the battery in place, just secure the cables out of the way, or you can take the battery out, which is preferred, and make sure you put it on wood or something like that. Don't put it on concrete. Put it on wood, something that stays dry, and just keep it charged with a - there's a trickle charger that you can get, or you can simply make sure it is topped off, and it stays relatively warm. If you have a heated garage, that's much better. You don't want it to get dramatically cold because that's bad news for your battery, and will kill it quick. These trickle chargers - I've seen those from $15 to about $150, and what they do is just continually keep a charge in the battery, and it maintains that battery use right up to the point like as if you're driving it, so in the springtime, you won't have any problem putting that battery right back in the car.

Ben: And even if it's $150, if you're in a situation where you routinely store a car, I think it is a good investment.

Scott: Yeah, I think it is too, and I mean honestly, even the $15 version - it's kind of up to you with the features that you want, and the brand name that you want to pay for, you know that type of thing, but they all do the same thing basically, if you really want to get down to it. So a trickle charger is a good idea, no matter what, to keep your battery up.

Ben: When you do cover your car, what about washing it?

Scott: Definitely wash the car. That's a good one. You have any pointers on that, or no?

Ben: Also wax it if you can because of the corrosion. Seriously, it sounds like a really general, easy thing to say, but it is important, and also I like washing cars, so I don't have a problem with it.

Scott: No, it's extremely important. Not only that, but it gets any kind of abrasive off the surface, and when you do that - Now there's another thing that gives a lot of people a little bit of difficulty in deciding whether or not it's good or bad. You would think it would be good to cover your car, right?

Ben: Right.

Scott: With one of those nice, soft, velour-type covers that you can put over a car.

Ben: Monogrammed of course.

Scott: Yeah, and if it's outdoors, it has kind of like a plastic layer on it as well. I mean inside they're a little bit softer, but there are seams. Every time you leave a little bit of dust on the car, and if you run you finger across it, you can see it scratching the clear coat. So if you've got a car cover over your car in the wintertime, and you're moving that car cover around or even if it just gets moved by wind, or whatever, that's braiding the paint, scratching the paint, so a lot of people have this kind of idea that maybe you should or maybe you shouldn't cover the car. It's good to keep the dust off of it, it's good to keep it covered, out of the elements, and the sunshine off it, etcetera, if it's in a place where sun can reach it, which it shouldn't be.

Ben: By the way.

Scott: Yeah, by the way. But, honestly I can tell you one thing that will work just as well.

Ben: What's that?

Scott: If you put an oscillating fan on the vehicle so that it covers all edges of the vehicle from one end to the other, that airflow is much better for the vehicle. If you've got just a simple fan you can set up in your garage, you leave the car uncovered, and just let the oscillating fan run over the car continuously, all winter long. I had a friend who was restoring a '67 or '68 Firebird, I can't remember which one it was, and he just got it back from the shop, having the frame powder coated, and the whole deal, the body was painted, nothing else was done, but it was the wintertime, and so it's kind of a bad time to get that back, but good time to get it ready for spring. The body shop person told him to just leave a fan on this thing and it will keep not only dust from forming, but it will keep the spiders off of it. It was in his garage, so he didn't have to worry about small animals other than maybe a mouse or something, but I think they find it unpleasant enough that they may not want to stay there.

Ben: That's awesome, that's like -

Scott: It's a good tip.

Ben: It's a great tip.

Scott: I mean, it's so simple, you may - of course you have to pay for the fan running, but big deal, you know, it's just a simple fan. It doesn't draw much current, so an oscillating fan works just as well as a car cover in some cases.

Ben: I'm doing the tap my forehead thing - that's a good idea.

Scott: We're getting near the end, don't worry. All right, so you want to make sure that all of your fluids are topped off, except for the washer fluid, you want to drain that.

Ben: Now why is that because I've read the same thing?

Scott: I believe - I've got a theory on this - my best guess is because that is one of those fluids that if it not pure, you know, if it's not the type that doesn't freeze, it may freeze and crack the bottle because it's just a plastic bottle.

Ben: Oh, okay.

Scott: And you're not using it regularly. There's no need to keep it full, and it's not providing any kind of lubrication or corrosion preventative.

Ben: It's not sustaining the system.

Scott: Exactly, it's not doing anything really other than just sitting there collecting - hopefully not collecting, but maybe there's some sediment or something that would gather in there. You should flush that out, of course, in the spring, but we'll talk about that next podcast.

Ben: Oh yeah, spoiler -

Scott: Oh yeah.

Ben: Yeah wait though, we can't get away without talking about - are we gonna head up tires?

Scott: Yeah, yeah, I want to make sure that they know were talking about the trans fluid, the axle fluid, of course the oil, power steering, the brake fluid, and the brake fluid is important. If the brake fluid looks bad right now when you're putting the car away, if it's not clear, go ahead and change it, just flush it out because that means there is some type of contamination in it, and that's bad news.

Ben: A lot of times people want to avoid that one because the brake thing can be a pain sometimes.

Scott: It really can, it really can. If it gets water in it - brake fluid is - I'm gonna try this word - hygroscopic.

Ben: Hygro-scopic.

Scott: Hygroscopic, and that means that it absorbs moisture, so brake fluid absorbs moisture, and that's why you could can never leave the cap off of a brake fluid bottle. It will absorb moisture like crazy, and then of course that lowers the boiling temperature of the fluid because it boils at a much higher temperature than water does, and that causes all kinds of problems as you're braking. It will lead to some air in the brake lines, and some real, real problems in the spring. So it is a good time to just check all of that stuff out. Check everything out right now because you might as well check it off your list for spring.

Ben: Every time you don't want to do one of these chores, just put yourself in the future, when you're car doesn't start because you skipped something.

Scott: And you're dying to get that thing out of the garage because that's the other aspect of this is that you know, you're anxious in the spring. Right now you know, you can take your time, and do it the right way.

Ben: You know what, that's really - that's really cool. I should approach more things in my life that way.

Scott: Yeah, it works.

Ben: But, we're not done, we've got more.

Scott: So you said you wanted to mention tires.

Ben: I do want to mention tires because there is a little bit of a difference here, and I really want your opinion on this as well as some listeners. Some folks recommend to put the car up on jack stands because they say that it will relieve weight from the tires basically.

Scott: From the suspension, oh and the tires, you're right, you're right.

Ben: And the tires, but the problem is that other people re saying you shouldn't do that, and you shouldn't put blocks under the frame either because it makes the suspension droop, and it takes the springs and bushings in an unnatural area, or excuse me, an unnatural state. So if you want to protect your suspension than you should support the car in a different way. I thought this was interesting, I got this off of two different lists, both of which also agree in most of the other points, but this -

Scott: I'm squinting at you.

Ben: You're squinting?

Scott: You know why?

Ben: Why?

Scott: Because I am just thinking about the natural versus unnatural position of a spring. Isn't that true, that when there's no weight on it, that's the natural position of the spring, right? It's unsprung, right. So if it's sprung, that's the unnatural position right? So when you've got the full weight of the vehicle on the spring, I believe that is the unnatural position, and the spring is trying to push back.

Ben: Yeah, it's trying to spring back.

Scott: It's trying to push back, so it's naturally in the elongated - If there is no weight on that spring, it seems like that is the natural position, and that would be the more correct way because that's the way they sit on shelves for years, and years, and years, waiting for us to use them right?

Ben: Oh, okay, go on.

Scott: Is that correct?

Ben: Yeah.

Scott: I think that is right, and a lot of people will go so far as to say that you need to take the tires off of your car, and there's no way to leave the car on the ground if you have the tires off the car.

Ben: See, that's the thing. I would almost - if I was, depending on the length of time, and because of the composition of tires, I would almost would just rather take them off because every time I have seen a car in long-term storage, and somebody wasn't careful, one of the first things that happens is the tires flatten.

Scott: Oh yeah, just on the bottom. You get a flat spot on the tire, you're right.

Ben: A flat spot, yeah.

Scott: There's one way to prevent that, which I've seen on a few other lists. You can, and I hesitate to mention this because it's rough, but overinflate the tires.

Ben: Ohhh.

Scott: I have seen someone mention that you take it up to, I don't know, like 55 psi, way overinflate them, and then even then you still want to move the car around just a little bit, so it's not resting on the same spot for four months at a time. That's not good, so if you do leave the tires on the vehicle, and on the ground, I would say overinflate the tires because that makes sense to me. You don't have as much of a flat spot on the bottom. They're harder, and they retain more of a round shape at that point. The other thing is, make sure you use jack stands or you use blocks to support it in the right spot. Make sure it is safe. Do not leave a car up on hydraulic jacks.

Ben: Yeah, that is just a bad idea.

Scott: It will eventually creep down to the point where it is back on the ground again, and that's dangerous for a lot of reasons, so definitely you make sure to get it off the jacks, and on to jack stands. It is worth it.

Ben: And also, we eluded to this earlier, don't just block up your intake, don't just - here's a quick one - if you've got a convertible, for Pete sake man, don't put the convertible top down.

Scott: Noooo.

Ben: It's gonna look so nasty.

Scott: No, it's gonna be so gross. When it opens up, it's gonna be permanently creased, you know the way that it goes into the trunk.

Ben: And you can't take it to a dry cleaners.

Scott: No, I don't think you can. Can you iron those?

Ben: I bet there is someone who will iron your convertible top.

Scott: There probably is, yeah.

Ben: There is someone.

Scott: There's a business idea.

Ben: They're listening now.

Scott: Yup, that's right. They'll make a million bucks off of our idea.

Ben: You're welcome, guys.

Scott: Yeah. Anytime.

Ben: Also, you want to have mousetraps, mice traps, rattraps, right?

Scott: Really? Okay. That's a good one. You mean around the vehicle, not in it?

Ben: Around the vehicle, not in the vehicle. Yeah, you want to keep the pests away, so it's up to you if you want the humane ones, or the ones that kill them. I would say honestly, not to sound too cold-hearted, but if you're not gonna be there for a while, just get the ones that kill them right away. As terrible as that sounds, and I know that it sounds terrible, but.

Scott: You know what, I got - this is a tiny bit off the topic, but not much. Here's the problem with rat poison, or mouse poison. I've had to use it in a house, in a condo that I had one time, and the problem is they grab the mouse poison, they run off, and they die in the wall somewhere, or they die in your car somewhere, and mice like to be near where there's heat. You can imagine what a dead mouse smells like after a couple of weeks next to the heater. So that's a bad idea. Ben's probably right. I know it sounds cruel, but unless you are gonna be able to somehow maintain this population -

Ben: Or get someone to clean it for you or something.

Scott: Yeah, exactly, or haul them 10 miles out into the country, and release them humanely. That's fine too.

Ben: Another concern, which I know is not gonna sound as terrible, but may sound mean because we do have a lot of young listeners. Look, I have had some checkered times as a kid, some misadventures sneaking into garages - I'm not gonna name names - So if you want to keep children away, my solution is - and I guess Scott, you'll back me up on this hopefully - Just make a sign that says something like 'Free Math Lessons and Vegetables'. You know what I mean? That would have totally worked with me.

Scott: That's good. That's much better - I thought you were gonna say kid traps.

Ben: No, are you kidding? If I say something -

Scott: Well, I don't know. I don't know. I thought you were going on the kid trap -

Ben: I think free Math lessons and vegetables will work just fine.

Scott: Yeah, that's probably just fine. That will keep them away. Brussel sprouts on board or something like that.

Ben: Wholesale brussel sprouts.

Scott: Yeah, something like that. All right - oh you know what, I forgot? I just found this note.

Ben: What is it?

Scott: Before you do any of this, it might not be a bad idea to put down a plastic sheet below the vehicle - The whole thing. You drive right onto it, and do all of this right on top of the plastic sheet.

Ben: Ohhh, that's right.

Scott: Not only does it keep the fluids from getting onto the ground if they do happen to leak, which they probably will.

Ben: Can happen, yeah.

Scott: But it also acts as a vapor barrier, kind of like in a crawl space. So if you're parked on a concrete slab, moisture won't weep or wick through the concrete into your vehicle, and cause underbody damage. So if you think about it, put a plastic sheet down or some type of an absorbant pad, and that does not only the fluids, but also the vapor barrier thing.

Ben: Well we already told people we were going a little bit out of order, so -

Scott: And you mentioned keeping animals away - another good thing is - you probably heard of you know, putting the car in mothballs or something like that. That's not a bad idea, just a few, not boxes of these things, but just a few. If you want to scatter a few mothballs in the trunk area or the interior even, or in the engine compartment that is not a bad idea, and kind of keeps the animals away for a brief amount of time. They may not smell the greatest, but you can air things out when springtime comes, and it won't last for long. It's an unpleasant smell, but -

Ben: It's springtime, you'll drive with the windows down, tops down -

Scott: Who doesn't love that fresh mothball smell?

Ben: I don't know, I don't know w ho doesn't love that. I was always like, why don't they flavor candy this way.

Scott: Sure, sure. All right, so I've only got a couple more. You want me to just hit them real quick?

Ben: Yeah, hit them.

Scott: Oh, don't forget to clean the interior when you do the outside, too. It's a good time to do that type of thing, but the one thing to be sure of is that you get all of the moisture out of the car before. Let it stay open, if you've shampooed the carpets or the upholstery, let it dry out because in the springtime you will find a lot of mildew and mold, and that's definitely not what you want to do. I have had friends that have done this with boats. They closed them up, and the day they cleaned them and without letting it air out, and guess what, in the springtime, it's just a moldy mess, or mildew-smelling mess, and you just can't get rid of it. It stays forever, so that's probably maybe near the last, I've got one other - two more things.

Ben: You've got a curve ball?

Scott: Not a curve ball really. Make sure you take the wipers off the car, which a lot of people do not remember to do. They will kind of semi-seal themselves to the windows if you leave them for too long without moving. It not only damages the wiper blade itself, you know, the rubber part, which won't be any good in a few months anyway, but it's not good for the window, the glass anyway. So just do that, and also remember to wrap the arms with something that is soft, so if you do inadvertently hit the switch when you are turning the car back on, it won't scratch your windows, or even just laying them back on the glass won't scratch the windows. The last thing - this is the very last thing, I promise. This was a long list.

Ben: Is it the most important?

Scott: You know what, this may be. This will tie us in nicely to our next podcast, okay. When you are done with all of what you've done here. When you're finished every one of these steps, be sure to write down exactly what you accomplished that day, or that week, however long it takes you to store your car because when you come back to bring that car out of storage, you will remember every single thing then, and you won't forget that yeah, I've got a piece of plastic wrapped around the intake, that's why it's not starting. I forgot to put in new spark plugs. That's why it's not starting. I forgot to take the rag out of the tailpipe.

Ben: Oh, you're good, you're good roundhouse.

Scott: So remember, and you don't want to get the engine too hot with a bunch of mothballs on it either, so that's not a bad idea.

Ben: Right.

Scott: So write down everything that you've done, and use that as your checklist in the springtime to go back, and undo everything that we've just done.

Ben: Beautiful man.

Scott: That's it.

Ben: That put a bow on it, and I never thought of that, but speaking of writing things down, it is just a good strategy anyway because if you write us an E-mail, then you may end up being like one of these new folks we are about to introduce you to in our Listener Mail.

Scott: All right Ben, we've got a piece of Listener Mail from Scott, and Scott is from Springfield, Illinois. Scott says, 'Hey I just listened to your Route 66 podcast, and I got a kick' - in quotes, isn't that funny, kick, Route 66 - 'and your mention of the cozy dog in Springfield, Illinois. I live in Springfield, but am not originally from here, so when I moved here, I heard a lot of hype surrounding the famous cozy dog'. So if you remember, we talked about what the heck is a cozy dog, and we asked is it a corn dog or you know, something different -

Ben: Like a hot dog.

Scott: Yeah, exactly. He said 'all a cozy dog is, is a corn dog, at least that's what anyone outside of Springfield would call it. In your podcast you talked about whether it was a hot dog on a stick or a corn dog' - We had said maybe it was blastemas to ask, but they might get very angry, and he says he is here to tell us that it is 'it's a corn dog'. He's an outsider, he can say that, I gu ess. He now lives in Springfield. But he said that any Springfield native will correct you if you tell them that it is a corn dog, so they do take exception to them being called anything else. So it's a cozy dog, and you cannot say corn dog to someone from Springfield, but he's letting us know that essentially it's a corn dog.

Ben: Thanks Scott from Springfield. I'm wiping my forehead.

Scott: And you made me read that one. I'll take the guff, right?

Ben: You're not gonna take the guff.

Scott: Oh, it's a corn dog. A cozy dog is a corn dog.

Ben: Oh, no. I have to stick by you, man. I'm the - I've got no comparison. Poncho and Lefty?

Scott: That's fine.

Ben: Okay, we'll go with that.

Scott: Just let it go.

Ben: All right everybody, well that wraps up our newest podcast here. We hope that we've helped you with some steps for preparing your car for storage in winter, summer, anytime you are not gonna be around it, and little do people know that this is a 2-part episode, is that right Mr. B?

Scott: That's correct, yeah, we're gonna do the other part of this equation next time, and that is how to take your car out of storage, so listen for that, coming up soon.

Ben: We'll see you next time.

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